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Hi All,

Looking for some advice. I parked in front of the yellow bus markings while unloading some dj equipment. I've parked there previously and been advised by an attendant that i had 10 mins, not sure if that's his choice or the actual rules. As you can see i was observed for 6 mins and booked I seen her walk off just as I returned !

Any advice would be greatly appreciated !





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Re: Contravention 01 Pepper street Chester
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You are allowed time to complete loading or unloading but you must be in the process of doing so.

Where were you when the pictures were taken? You need to account for 6 mins observation time.

Do you have any paperwork proving unloading of equipment or reason for doing so?

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I carried it over the road to opera grill. The event was upstairs which is at the back of the building. It would take me 6 mins to get to the room the event was taking place.

I do have an email from the customer confirming the booking on that date.
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Quote from: stamfordman on June 09, 2025, 02:40:56 pm
You are allowed time to complete loading or unloading but you must be in the process of doing so.

Where were you when the pictures were taken? You need to account for 6 mins observation time.

Do you have any paperwork proving unloading of equipment or reason for doing so?



I'm presuming I'm good to appeal on the basis I was unloading?

Thanks
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Yes, you can claim the unloading exemption, but you need to include some collateral, like nature of goods being unloaded and delivery location, and hopefully something from the receiver of the goods. Without some collateral, they'll just refuse your reps.
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Re: Contravention 01 Pepper street Chester
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Why didn't you park on the DYL outside Opera?
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There is no actual restrictions sign for this bay. The sign by the bay says "No stopping except buses" with an arrow pointing left. However the bus stop area is delineated with yellow lines. Basically, it's a Dog's Breakfast.
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Quote from: H C Andersen on June 10, 2025, 07:39:04 pm
Why didn't you park on the DYL outside Opera?

DYL are always a no for me and it causes traffic build up if parked there, i was told previously where i parked is ok after 6.Unloading 10 mins from a parking attendant.
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You can unload on DYL at any time, subject of course to qualifying under the 'loading' exemption and you should park as close as lawfully permitted in order to keep your time to the minimum necessary.

'i was told previously where i parked is ok after 6..' But PCN was issued at 5.48pm.
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A single yellow during its restricted time is the same as a double yellow.

Draft a challenge and post here first.
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Quote from: stamfordman on June 11, 2025, 12:58:33 pm
A single yellow during its restricted time is the same as a double yellow.

Draft a challenge and post here first.
My reason for stopping was solely for the purpose of unloading goods/items at Opera Grill. This was a brief stop necessary to transfer items from the vehicle namely DJ equipment consisting of decks, lighting and cables. I have emails confirming the booking on that day if required and also the invoice. Upon reviewing the location and the signage, I observed that there appears to be no specific restriction sign directly applicable to the bay where my vehicle was stopped. The only sign visible in the vicinity stated, "No stopping except buses" and featured an arrow pointing to the left. Crucially, the area designated as a bus stop, to which this sign presumably refers, was clearly and unambiguously delineated by yellow lines. My vehicle was parked in a bay outside these yellow lines, suggesting it was not part of the restricted bus stop area. Given the absence of any other prohibitive signage for the specific bay I occupied, and the clear demarcation of the bus stop area, it was reasonable to conclude that stopping for unloading was permissible in that location. Therefore, I believe the PCN was issued incorrectly as the signage was ambiguous and did not clearly indicate a restriction for the bay in question. I kindly request that you review my appeal and cancel the aforementioned PCN.
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Don't be afraid to break it uop into more-easily read points for those you are seeking to persuade. So. e.g.:

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My reason for stopping was solely for the purpose of unloading goods/items at Opera Grill. This was a brief stop necessary to transfer items from the vehicle namely DJ equipment consisting of decks, lighting and cables. I have emails confirming the booking on that day if required and also the invoice.

 Upon reviewing the location and the signage, I observed that there appears to be no specific restriction sign directly applicable to the bay where my vehicle was stopped. The only sign visible in the vicinity stated, "No stopping except buses" and featured an arrow pointing to the left. Crucially, the area designated as a bus stop, to which this sign presumably refers, was clearly and unambiguously delineated by yellow lines. My vehicle was parked in a bay outside these yellow lines, suggesting it was not part of the restricted bus stop area.

Given the absence of any other prohibitive signage for the specific bay I occupied, and the clear demarcation of the bus stop area, it was reasonable to conclude that stopping for unloading was permissible in that location.

Therefore, I believe the PCN was issued incorrectly as the signage was ambiguous and did not clearly indicate a restriction for the bay in question. I kindly request that you review my appeal and cancel the aforementioned PCN.
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You are going a bit off-track.

The contravention is for waiting on a single yellow line, for which loading is an exemption.

It isn't a bay as such.

No need to talk about the bus stop which is nothing to do with where you were.

A single yellow line must either have its own timeplate, or be controlled by an entry sign to a controlled parking zone (CPZ). I can't see that there is a CPZ so I suspect the line might just as well be an unrestricted bit of kerbside and a botch by the council after changes along there (probably should be a double yellow).

Wait for others but the below is what I see.

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Dear Chester,

I am challenging the PCN on the grounds that I was either:

1. Carrying out the exempt activity of loading
2. Or that the contravention cannot have occurred.

On 1., I am a xxxxx and waited on the single yellow line for the purpose of unloading x equipment to y, which entailed xxxx and took only as long as necessary. I enclose evidence for this.

On 2, there is no timeplate for the single yellow line and I am not sure it is in a controlled parking zone. If it is not in a CPZ, the contravention cannot have occurred.

I trust you will accept my challenge and look forward to your early confirmation of cancellation.
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