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PCN 4 Brief Stop @ Bus Stop B4 Parking in Disabled Bay - Barkingside High St.

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#1
Hi everyone,

My sister recently received a PCN, and I’d appreciate some advice on whether she has grounds for an appeal.

She was waiting to park in a disabled bay, but another car was still occupying the space and preparing to leave. To avoid blocking traffic behind her (as this was on a busy high street), she briefly pulled forward in front of the disabled bay, momentarily entering the bus stop while waiting for the other vehicle to leave.

She was stationary for a very short time (likely under a minute), as the car in the disabled bay took its time to vacate the spot—understandably so. As soon as the space became available, she reversed into the bay, parked, and displayed her badge.

The clip on the Redbridge Council website conveniently doesn’t show the full duration—only about 9 seconds of her being stopped at the bus stop.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance!







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Last Edit: February 15, 2025, 06:17:02 pm by zeezee
#3
The car was stationary for at least 9 seconds in a bus stop clearway.

The driver's intentions are essentially irrelevant.

There is no evidence that the car moved out of contravention after 9 seconds.

With respect, we should consider the objective evidence which IMO means the contravention occurred.
#4
Put them to strict proof that they have a VCA  certificate.
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#6
Other thoughts.

Vague location as just says High Street Barkingside.

Very long stop with sign at other end of bay - there has I think been a case won by CP on this.

Obviously they must consider discretion for a disabled driver waiting for a space she could see was becoming free. If they locate bays adjacent to the bus stop clearway the chances of a contravention for a driver reversing in must be high - it's a matter of how long.

Last Edit: February 16, 2025, 11:29:31 am by stamfordman
#7




An example re lack of VCA certificate, even when put on notice:



cp8759 has won several others on this point alone, of course.
Last Edit: February 16, 2025, 11:47:37 am by Hippocrates
@Incandescent!

I AM ABLE TO TAKE ON MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. I HATE RETIREMENT.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"