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Re: Medway - 51J - No Entry Restriction
« Reply #30 on: »
Looks good. Opt for a telephone or online hearing if possible.

Re: Medway - 51J - No Entry Restriction
« Reply #31 on: »
Bumping one last time in case anyone else has any other comments or suggestions, otherwise will submit to TPT next week :-)

Re: Medway - 51J - No Entry Restriction
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You have received a NOR date 31 July.

Your options are to pay or register an appeal, in either case no later than 31 Aug.

Registering an appeal is a simple, streamlined and quick process. I suggest you get online and register, all the details are in the NOR*, and rely upon grounds:

Contravention did not occur;
Procedural impropriety.

The body of your appeal at this stage, I suggest:

As regards the contravention, I rely upon my formal representations and as regards procedural impropriety that the decision notice fails to comply with regulatory requirements regarding an owner's rights of appeal and that payment dates are unclear. Both grounds would be developed upon receipt of the council's evidence pack.


You do not rehearse your formal reps because these would be in evidence anyway.

*- except for the appeals specifics which you would have to consult a third-party website to discover AND which are incorrect anyway as regards the law as it applies to councils!!

For example, the first thing you'd find would be:

You have 28 days to submit an appeal
after receiving an NoR letter


No you don't.

The tribunal does not apply the strict 28-day period. This is its right.
But it has s*d all to do with a council's duty which is to notify you that your STATUTORY right lapses after the end of the period of 28 days beginning on the date of service of the NOR.

Re: Medway - 51J - No Entry Restriction
« Reply #33 on: »
Thank you! Does "procedural impropriety" cover the issues of the unclear signage?

Re: Medway - 51J - No Entry Restriction
« Reply #34 on: »
Thank you! Does "procedural impropriety" cover the issues of the unclear signage?
No, it's a separate matter for the incorrect informationon their documents.
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Re: Medway - 51J - No Entry Restriction
« Reply #35 on: »
Contravention did not occur covers their order and signs. 
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Re: Medway - 51J - No Entry Restriction
« Reply #36 on: »
TPT appeal submitted as per suggestion, will update when (if?) the LA responds

Re: Medway - 51J - No Entry Restriction
« Reply #37 on: »
LA has responded with an evidence pack, and I've opted for a telephone hearing. This is their summary

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   This statement is submitted in response to the appellant's appeal against the Penalty Charge Notice issued for failing to comply with the No Entry restriction.

The signage at this location, items 7 & 9, is clear, prominent, compliant with regulations, and positioned so as to be visible to any motorist approaching the restriction. This is demonstrated in the photographic evidence, item 5 & the video evidence, item 6, uploaded with the PCN and has been supplied to the Tribunal in full.

The appellant argument that there was no 'No Entry' restriction as the signage is incorrect and that the contravention did not occur as the signage states "No Vehicles Except for Access" restriction only applies on Saturdays 10am - 4pm. As we entered after 4pm, this restriction did not apply, is factually incorrect as the compliant signage clearly states 'No vehicles Except for access on Saturdays 10am-4pm' as the appellant entered at 16:18 the penalty charge notice was issued correctly.

The signage, at this location, is positioned on both sides of the carriageway, fully compliant & visible to the motorist, evidence item 7 & CCTV warning signage, prior to the location, evidence item 8. As clearly stated in the Highway Code,  Signs with red circles are mostly prohibitive, with a plate below qualifying their message, as in this case 'No vehicles Except for access on Saturdays 10am-4pm' evidence items 7 & 9.

It is the driver’s responsibility to check for signage that is in place. Motorists are expected to notice all road traffic signage on every journey, understand its meaning and act accordingly.


In summary, the contravention is clearly observed in the photographic evidence Item 5, specifically photographs 2 & 4 and video evidence item 6, taken at time of the contravention. The vehicle is clearly seen travelling through the 'No Entry' when not permitted.


The Authority is satisfied that the signage in question is fully compliant with the requirements of the road traffic legislation.

A reasonably observant motorist would have been aware of the restriction before entering Chatham High Street .

Signage is Clear and Fully Compliant

The restriction is clearly marked with prescribed signs on either side of the carriage way

The signs are positioned at the decision point before entering the High Street

Completion of the manoeuvre into the High Street demonstrates that the restriction was passed and the prohibition contravened.

Discretion Was Considered and Declined

The appellant requests the Tribunal to consider whether additional discretion should apply.

The Council has already considered discretion when responding to the formal representations and determined that it was not appropriate to cancel the PCN.

The explanations provided by the appellant do not align with the legal requirements or the evidence available.

For the reasons above, the authority respectfully requests that the appeal be refused and the penalty charge upheld.

Immediate things I noted:
  • They've ignored the wrong code on PCN issue
  • They've ignored the poorly worded signs
  • They keep referring to our appeal as discretion, which it wasn't, and we aren't appealing on the basis of further discretion as they've stated
  • They've ignored all the procedural impropriety parts


I presume I now "Add Evidence" to post up my full appeal statement? I'm proposing the following, all suggestions and additions gratefully received!

1) The contravention did not occur - the PCN states Code 51J contravention of No Entry restriction - there was no "No Entry" restriction, the sign driven past was a prohibition on certain types of vehicles (which is Code 52V for this sign, which even I managed to discover with just five minutes on Google), and although this sign can have a similar effect, namely that at certain times vehicles should not pass them, this does not mean they are the same for legislative and enforcement purposes. They are distinguished in the regulations, and separate contravention descriptions exist for them. From the Statutory Guidance: Authorities should not issue PCNs when traffic signs or road markings are incorrect.

2) The traffic signs were ambiguously worded - as per our original appeal to Medway, our interpretation (whilst controlling a moving vehicle on a busy road) of these signs were that there was a "No Vehicles Except for Access" on "Saturdays 10am-4pm". Medway in their response have indicated their intention was the sign to mean "No Vehicles" "Except for Access on Saturdays 10am-4pm". There is no possible way a driver could distinguish the intention between these two meanings without receiving the clarification Medway have provided in the Notice of Rejection. For example, a better and unambiguous way of wording this sign could have been "No Vehicles except for:" and then underneath "Access only on Saturdays 10am - 4pm" which would leave a driver in no doubt. We actually waited for around an hour in a nearby restaurant until it was past 4pm just so we could drive down the high street to collect a heavy item purchased at an antique shop!

3) Procedural impropriety by the Local Authority - they failed to properly consider my representations. They refer to the representations as “mitigation”, which they were clearly not - they were that the contravention did not occur (for the reasons given). They also failed to consider the representation that the contravention on the PCN did not occur because there was no No Entry sign. Even now in their evidence pack to the TPT, Medway continue to refer to my appeal as being an appeal to their discretion, and my appeal to the TPT being based on “further discretion”. Both the appeal to Medway and the TPT are, as stated here, based on failure to issue a PCN for the contravention they allege, failure to follow the procedures they are lawfully required to follow and using a traffic sign which is ambiguously worded and could have easily been worded in an unambiguous fashion.

4) Procedural impropriety by the Local Authority - the original PCN failed to specify that “Procedural impropriety by the Local Authority” is a valid ground of representation.

5) Procedural impropriety by the Local Authority - the Notice Of Rejection fails to specify proper details on appealing to the TPT. The Local Authority cannot discharge this duty by referring a person to a third parties general website.


Re: Medway - 51J - No Entry Restriction
« Reply #38 on: »
Where's the traffic order pl.

Let's start with this.

Re: Medway - 51J - No Entry Restriction
« Reply #39 on: »
Where's the traffic order pl.

Let's start with this.

Thank you, I've uploaded it here:



Re: Medway - 51J - No Entry Restriction
« Reply #40 on: »
Bump for any comments on the TRO or my proposed evidence/statement?

Re: Medway - 51J - No Entry Restriction
« Reply #41 on: »
On which provision in the Order and Schedule thereto are the council relying, surely it's referred to in their Evidence schedule or highlighted in the order itself?

The adjudicator is not going to get out an OS map and try and work this out.

Re: Medway - 51J - No Entry Restriction
« Reply #42 on: »
On which provision in the Order and Schedule thereto are the council relying, surely it's referred to in their Evidence schedule or highlighted in the order itself?

The adjudicator is not going to get out an OS map and try and work this out.

They included this in their evidence summary:

Evidence 10

Evidence Type: Map showing location Published Date: August 21, 2026 15:23 Published By: Authority Manager

Attachment: Corporation St Map Screenshot 2026-08-21 152317.png

Description: Copy of map showing location Evidence 11

Evidence Type: TRO/Schedule (add references in description) Published Date: August 21, 2026 15:30 Published By: Authority Manager Attachment: High St Moving Traffic Contraventions - Made TRO 713.pdf Description: Copy of TRP specifically page 4 schedule2 item 1.


Evidence 11

Evidence Type: TRO/Schedule (add references in description) Published Date: August 21, 2026 15:30 Published By: Authority Manager Attachment: High St Moving Traffic Contraventions - Made TRO 713.pdf Description: Copy of TRP specifically page 4 schedule2 item 1.

Re: Medway - 51J - No Entry Restriction
« Reply #43 on: »
Can you work out what the Schedule means, I can't.

I can't cut and paste and it's a long reference, presumably 4(1). But it doesn't seem to prohibit, it merely describes.

We're looking for '..except as provided ..no person shall cause a vehicle to .. from ..into ...during the period...except for access...

Re: Medway - 51J - No Entry Restriction
« Reply #44 on: »
Can you work out what the Schedule means, I can't.

I can't cut and paste and it's a long reference, presumably 4(1). But it doesn't seem to prohibit, it merely describes.

We're looking for '..except as provided ..no person shall cause a vehicle to .. from ..into ...during the period...except for access...


'No vehicles' point restriction operating 'at any time' except for access to off-street premises at
certain times
4.
(1)
Except as provided by paragraph (2) of this Article, any person causing any vehicle to proceed in a road or length of road specified in column 2 of an item in Schedule 2 shall thereupon cause that vehicle to enter into the road or length of road specified in relation thereto in column 3 of that Schedule at the times stated in relation thereto in column 4 of that Schedule.

(2)
Nothing in paragraph (1) of this Article shall apply in relation to a vehicle which is entering into or proceeding in a road or length of road specified in column 2 of an item in Schedule 2 for the purpose of accessing off-street premises only accessible therefrom, between 10.00 a.m. and 4.00 p.m. on Saturdays.